"Hey, Nature, sorry, but we really need to make money. You have to somehow accommodate us with your strange ecosystem now. It's just not working. Nature is a bad negotiating partner."
Frauke Fischer is an expert in biodiversity, imports coffee and cocoa from Peru, and explains nature in easily understandable terms. Frauke was on her way to Bern, made a stop in Basel, and we used the time to record a podcast. And in this hour we meander our way through coffee, cocoa, biodiversity and back again.


























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